Nathan (my beloved partner) insists that the Mac is the be all and end all and they never crash and they walk on water... HA HA HA HA HA... I do sincerely hope you get you puter up and running, but it is nice to know I am not paranoid and they are not indidstructable (*grin*) Blessed Solstice love, and hope you had fun at Pride. I didn't get a chance to chat but it was good to see you there - hpunkert@yahoo.ca